Podcast and Chill with MacG

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Welcome to Podcast and Chill Magic. 01:31 I'm assuming this doesn't end well. 01:39 I'm still driving light at night. Stricta packed up ass tight. Table dancing down the hill. Do you know what that's like? What's your name? What's your name? What's your name? 01:53 What's your name? What's your name? 01:55 What's your name? 01:56 What's your name? 02:00 They're actually global human beings. They're not like, but very intelligent. Very open-minded. I really love having time with people. 02:06 Yeah, from there, my grandmother, because my grandmother is also from the Northwest. 02:28 I try. You try. But my speaking is also hard. I can imagine. That's why I don't speak it. You spent time in the States, didn't you? 02:47 I was born there, yeah. Yeah. How long were you there for? 02:50 I got back when I was 12. 02:52 No, you were American. Your personality was fully developed. 02:58 Was he really American, though? 03:00 What do you mean? 03:01 I mean, your personality is determined by your environment. 03:05 Oh, yeah, that's true. 03:07 And particularly early childhood development. If you want to define your kid, the only years you've got to do it is you can go till 10. 03:16 between one, because they still impressionable, you can still influence a 10 year old. 03:33 What were you saying? Hey, gents, you see what's going on today? I'm cornered today, boys. I'm cornered. 03:48 Gents, what were you saying about development? When you're American, I was talking about identity. When do you classify as a thing that you grew up around? So let's say, for example, you're black, but you grew up in a color community. Are you colored? Because you speak colored, you talk, you dress, but you do not. 04:01 No, but that's culture. That's culture. Yeah, but I'm talking about your identity. 04:04 I'm not talking about culture. I'm talking about identity. 04:07 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do I identify as? 04:10 No, no, no. Yes, yes, yes. 04:11 What do I identify as? I identify as South African. 04:15 I identify as South African. When you tell them you were born somewhere, then they call you that immediately, whether it's jokingly or not. That's immediately what Naledi said. That day when I said, yo, I've got an American passport. Then she's like, oh, when are you an American? That's what people say, right? 04:30 Where were you born, though? 04:37 My pop's a Zulu, my mom's a Zulu. But I grew up, and I'm a colored. And I speak like it, I dress like it, everything colored. But I'm not colored. 04:46 You're not colored, dog. How? That's your... But I identify as... No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Your blood is not that of a colored. 04:55 Nah, nah, nah, Bumi, you're wild and done. 04:59 When someone says, what's your ethnicity? You can't choose what your ethnicity is. 05:04 But being colored is ethnicity. 05:08 No, we're speaking like... You can't choose your ethnicity. Same. 05:12 You can't. I want to hear your perspective. 05:16 So I was talking about what you identify as. What you identify as. It's what I identify as, right? And then there's what I am because of social constructs. There's colored, there's black, there's Indian. You know what I mean? So I was saying because he grew up in that setup and that's how he feels. 05:38 Who feels like what? 05:40 how he chooses to identify as. No. 05:46 Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. 05:48 You know what I mean? Yes, you see, it goes deep. Oh, so we want to go that deep? It goes deep. 05:57 It goes deep. But do you want to go there, do you? So what I'm saying is... You want to take it there? We can go there. You want it. I'm saying you are what you choose and you're also your environment and you're also your DNA. It depends. So now here's what I want to highlight. It depends what we're choosing. Your nationality. You cannot choose your nationality because the government controls that. 06:17 You are born in a certain place, you get a birth certificate in that place that says you were born in this place. You can get a passport from that country. 06:25 Yes, yes, yes. 06:26 Whether you wish it and pray it and what, what, that thing will never change. That's one thing. You can't just be like, I want to be Spanish. I want to be from Spain. 06:33 I can't be like South Jersey. 06:35 What are you talking about? I can't be South Jersey. You can. You're born in China. You're born in China. Are you now Chinese? You're a black man. You're born in China. Are you now Chinese? That's my question. No, you hold a Chinese passport. 06:47 I'm black and easy. Yeah. Yeah. 06:49 Yeah. Yeah. You are South African Chinese. 06:54 Yeah, I'm South African Chinese. Like, Jewel Citizenship also works. 07:02 So are you saying if both of them are from outside or one of them is from inside, one of them is from outside? 07:08 So I'm saying, I'm saying English or something else. My choice is something else. For example, I've met someone who looks colored. 07:13 He speaks like he's Indian. 07:30 But his culture, his behavior, his mannerisms are completely black. 07:35 Yeah. Yeah. 07:37 His surname, what's his surname? Williams. 07:42 Yeah. 07:43 Something with Williams. Yeah. 07:44 You know what I'm saying? Identity. Uh-huh. And race. Yeah. 07:55 that's the conversation i have yes because ethnicity shit oh it goes that's a deep one because as an african if you marry a white woman and you have a child as a zulu man you have a child with a white woman that child is then considered in the African context. 08:14 That child is Zulu. That child is Zulu. 08:17 It's not open for discussion. You understand? But then what if it keeps going and it keeps getting watered down, then the ethnicity belongs to who then? 08:31 At some point, like... You have to make a choice as an individual. 08:34 Obviously, I began the conversation with you. 08:38 That's why int is what made it take. 08:41 I don't know what to do. Because I think, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. 09:09 Zulu niggas take everything and make it so deep. 09:28 And it's beautiful. I want to say it is, it is very, it's beautiful. 09:32 Add on that, Lendo, Lendo, you go see, Gutina, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, Is it the same? 10:07 With the Tuanas? I think both my parents, well, both my parents were Tuanas, but my dad was Tuanas from Botswana. 10:13 Yes. 10:14 My mom is Tuanas from Bok, which is a free state. Yeah. You know? 10:18 Well, she's Sotho, you know? Sotho. So, but in the African context... 10:24 Doana You are Doana I'm Doana You're what your father is But one thing I can say is The reason why I am the way I am So open, so free So don't give a fuck It's because my parents Also didn't subscribe to Yeah, yeah, yeah And both my parents Were ministers, bishops By the way That's what I was saying There is some choice But the choice Can never be in certain Things like DNA And where you are from Your lineage You can't change your lineage Like that one Is not something That is a choice But what if you don't know it? 10:55 Let's say now, let's say your father died, and let's say your father, yeah, your parents died. Yeah. And you have no connection, and you're an orphan. But you don't know your lineage. So, aren't you your choice then, in that case? Your environment is to collide. Wait. Wait. 11:20 That matters. You know, if you are an orphan, then you don't know. Before Maybe you make a choice. I'm sure you will try and find Wuti. 11:41 Where do I come from? 11:43 You know, because I think that thing sucks, really sucks, you know. 11:55 but even if you make that choice you are still the dna regardless of what you say it still is you know what it is i can actually relate to um growing up 12:19 where you're actually not originally from. Yes. And just to add, it's another family. They take you in. So my grandfather, so that's how I am. Yes, but originally, So every time we would show gratitude and appreciation to the Mlambos, we were also equally showing gratitude and appreciation to Abanbarangumal. 12:58 And when my grandfather died, then we went to go... 13:05 go back where he grew up but his parents had died and he was a little kid and he was taken in so you are never really like not from anywhere you are never ever not from anywhere and never know where you're from that's the best way to put it and if you don't know where you're from the people who raise you are who you are yeah 13:27 But then that's where what B was saying where it comes in. 13:30 Yes, because they raised you. 13:31 Yeah, but then there's the thing of DNA. Like, whether you are adopted or not. 13:36 We're not arguing. So I'm not arguing. So I'm not arguing against DNA. 13:41 DNA can be just ekazi. I believe in that. My parents also believe in that one. You know what I mean? DNA is just ekazi because let me tell you something. One thing also I noticed. 13:54 I'm sure you have met your brothers along the way, Wailukul. True. Who are not like from the same household, but like your brothers. You understand? If you don't like your brothers, you don't like your brothers. 14:16 He's a brother to me. We understand that. Unfortunately, I don't have, I don't have brothers. They understand. So, they are you. 14:36 I want to take my leg in the fence. I want to take my leg. 14:40 I want to take my leg. 14:54 No, I agree. I agree. I definitely agree. We usually speak to the north, the suburb, right? And I disagree with that. 15:17 So, I mean, I noticed we're speaking to the north, the suburban people, suburban lifestyle. Now, the question comes, is this, Igor? 15:27 When you go to a funeral, how many of us know when it comes to culture? Because now there's a lot of skis, skis, skis. Skis, skis, skis. 15:40 Are you talking about Sal? 15:42 No, I'm there. Oh, I'm there. So I'm speaking to that. 15:55 And that culture's dying off. And I think, and I might be wrong, but I think as South Africans, we all to some degree suffer from identity crisis. No, but answer the question. 16:07 Yeah, I was told. 16:09 You held on. But that's what I'm saying. 16:25 But let me tell you, I wasn't taught because my dad felt like, no, you're a man. You need to know. I was taught because he was doing it. So when he was doing it, I was there next to him and understood it. And then you'll be like, oh, you're interested. Let me show you. How many of us can do it? 16:42 I feel as if in South Africa, to some degree, most of us suffer from identity crisis. The reason why I say that is because when is the last time you taught a young boy how to do the things? 16:59 Have you taught your daughter? Have they seen you do it? 17:03 But I think we have to think about migration. Migration contributes a lot into culture, culture which is how we live on a day-to-day basis. So, when I'm in for example. 17:22 Everyone who grew up there, who's still growing up there, is able to be socialized into those things. Their socialization and them being able to live and survive. 17:34 All happens there. 17:36 It is highly impossible that it's going to happen in four ways inside your... You can't even... You can't even... 17:50 So in Kwenzo's defense, Kwenzo, just like many other people, migrated to the city. So his lifestyle is different. So his kids and everybody around him will never actually get to experience him in that element and show them how things are done. But when they go back home, there's an opportunity for that. When they go back home. 18:19 Yes, and that's it. Yes, and that's it. 18:38 Because it depends what you're talking about. 19:03 Yes. 19:04 It depends also about what culture, how she was raised. Is she white? Is she colored? Is she German? Is she even South African? No, but I don't know. 19:11 It's just a joke. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 19:21 Yes, it's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. 19:23 It's good. It's good. It's good. 19:25 It's good. It's good. 19:26 It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. It's good. 19:31 It's good. It's good. 19:51 Yes. And then I'm just like, oh no, you better, my touch. Yeah. 19:54 But I'm like, I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to go. 20:12 But if you're talking about home, that's another story now. It's another step. We understand. But that's common in South Africa right now to have fatherless homes. Yes. 20:34 Only 36% of South African households have fathers. 36%, let that sink in. We understand. 36% of our families. 20:41 And when we talk about our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, our families, It's very important. 21:11 while you are playing. You know what I'm saying? 21:19 Can I make a painful example more to like real life because I understand like you were saying it depends who you are, it depends like how you were raised and all these things, right? Like with Denise Zimba, right? And we were speaking about it on Max show how she has a German while she married a German German guy and they had kids and then he took the kids back to Germany And he's not allowing her to see the kids, right? So now imagine if it's the other way around where you're a man from South Africa You're a Zulu man and then you get with a German woman And then the kids are born in Germany. 22:00 Born in Germany. So that's why the courts are like, but these kids are German. You see, now it comes back to you can't choose. Nationality says what? You were born away. Now, all of a sudden, you're a Zulu man that has a son. 22:14 A son, you're A. 22:16 But. 22:17 In Germany. They're in Germany. 22:20 They're about to forget everything. They're not about to care about going and going to learn how things are done. 22:28 And that's where, like you were saying, that's where the migration, that's where the world is slowly going, you know? But it has been going. 22:34 Yeah, it was. That's a good point. Painful. 22:39 It goes back to the point where people are going. 22:47 But you know the reality of it. There is a part, Gabbyam, because he was a witch girl. Yeah. 22:56 He was a witch girl like that. 22:57 But he was a witch girl like that. 23:02 Yes, I agree. 23:23 My dad! How many rappers? How many rappers? I never had a dad. I was raised by the street, son. 23:52 But you know what's so much easier? What's so much easier? What's really easier is to sit at a bar and sit down and sit down and sit down and sit down. That's much easier. When you're being asked to go, what have you done? Have you explored the courts? 24:15 Have you passed your booze? 24:18 Oh, I'm going to play a guitar. 24:21 I'm going to play a guitar. 24:23 I'm going to play a guitar. 24:34 I hear that. 24:35 I hear that. I hear that. Most of the time, I would say, I would say, I would say, I would say, I would say, I would say, I would say, I would say, Just make, just make... Hey, but then the baby mama says, yo, you're harassing the child now. But the point... But as a man, I will still do it. 25:17 and that is proof to your own son that my dad in 2009 tried to come to see me and you you went to the courts to stop it because at the end of the day what I want to know as your daughter is what did you do did you fight for me did you fight for me because I was just a child what did you do on the other end did you fight for me okay you couldn't see me Could you send money for me? 25:48 Could you write a letter to school? What could you do? Did you drop up a cell phone and say... 25:53 But you think a baby mom that's hating on you is going to tell the child that your dad's been sending money? No, we're not saying that. We're saying at school... Yeah, exactly. So you wouldn't know until you meet him maybe later. You already hate this man. And you ask him, but dad, what did you try to do? And he says, yo, listen, I tried. I can show you evidence. 26:12 Yes, but that's... Imagine... Go ahead, don't mind this guy. 26:15 Don't mind this guy. Imagine... 26:30 And now I have to keep statements just in case and I need to go on a draw. That's the world we live in. 26:41 I've been waiting for this day. You don't have to imagine it because it's real. It happens. It happens. It's real. It's happening. 26:56 Before we go too far, please introduce the show, my brother. Welcome to the show where the hosts are the goats, where words get spoke, foot meets throat, and chokers choke, because this is all the smoke. I myself, but I go by and my co-host. Yo, keep it very simple. The most official. 27:18 Yes, sir. How you doing, man? 27:20 Oh, yeah, boy, yeah, boy, yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 27:41 Now you can meet after me. 28:03 Every single weekday on Saturday from 12 to 3. Gwenzo, no pressure. No pressure. No pressure. Every week. Every week. Every week. 28:31 There's an actor. There's a couple of actors on the couch. Have you ever acted? Hey! You have? 28:38 Oh, so you all acted? 28:41 Why do you do that? 28:44 Why do you do that? Why do you do that? 28:52 Actually, my first gig in the industry was an acting gig. On So Coolion Partners. I was like 16. Haven't I seen you in a music video? What music video? 29:09 I was on a... Yes, I was on a... Whose video was that? It was... It was... Obri. Obri. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 29:34 I don't know what music is. I don't know what music is. I don't know what music is. I don't know what music is. 30:00 But I've known him for a while. Really? 30:05 Through the radio. 30:07 No swiping rights. 30:08 But how did your man feel about that? Because when I saw it, I was like, oh, okay. 30:14 But the music video. It wasn't like intimate and sexual. It was actually a traditional cultural music video. And that's the beautiful thing about Zulu. 30:26 Culture. Culture. Is that there's no way you could sexualize that particular. I mean, you can. You definitely can. But you shouldn't. 30:34 Because that's not the purpose. That's not the point. No, no, no. 30:37 No, you. No, you. First of all, sexualizing something is no one's choice but that person who's sexualizing. I can put my toes out. Yeah, yeah. He's got his toes out. You can be sexualizing. 30:55 But what I'm saying is, it's my culture, right? And there are many moments where I'm in that context, where I'm dressed in a particular way for my culture. At a wedding, in different setups, I'm dressed to represent myself as a Zulu girl. 31:12 Which is what Ngobi was talking about earlier, that these are the conversations that have to be had at the beginning. You must know who I am. You must know where I come from and what I represent. That if you were to see me in Shagai Lem, for example, you understand. Were you in it? No, no. You don't have to go back and watch. 31:34 Oh, was she? No, I wasn't. No, no, no. I was not. I was not. But when I decide that this is an opportunity that I want to take... It is beyond it just being a gig. It is historical. It's history. 31:48 It's culture. It represents who I am. It matters to me. Because I don't know, man. 31:53 I don't know. Me, I'm different. I definitely wouldn't want my girl dressed like that culturally or otherwise in another man's video for his video. If you do it for us, for our family, where we're going, it's a different thing. That's why I asked, how did your man feel about that? 32:12 Maybe that's because you're also an artist and you just wouldn't want to be in a position where your girl is in someone else's work like that. 32:22 But your man is also an artist. 32:25 Yeah, but that's not all he does. 32:27 That's not all I do, but I still have that thing where I'm like, I don't want you doing anything for no nigga. Yeah. 32:32 Yeah, but he was okay with it. He didn't mind. I thought the same way. 32:38 In Ops' music video. 32:39 Yeah, in Ops' music video. I was like, your man is strong. 32:45 Not because you were dressed too much. 32:48 Just because you're doing it for another man. 33:02 For another man, it's work! It's not even a production. I think the conversation here is how you perceive it. It's in the perception, right? And I actually understand your perspective. I get it and I respect it, right? So you're saying that it's because you're doing it for another man. You're going to a music video for another man. 33:26 You know what I mean? You know what I mean? For me, it's like, okay, I actually really love this artist's music one. Right? 33:35 I love... How insecure are you guys, man? 33:41 Let me give you an example. If Mwobi is one of my favorite artists, right? Yeah. 33:56 I wouldn't just... And I want to be clear. I wouldn't just go to anyone's music video. I did it because that's actually somebody's work that I like and I respect. And I said, I want to do it. And when I come to you and I tell you this is something that I'd like to shoot and I really like the concept and I really like how this is going to position me and what I'm going to be doing... If you approve, you approve. And also, you're my man. Like, my man is confident. He's the most confident nigga ever. For you to do that, he has to be confident. He's extremely confident. He is not shaken by absolutely anything. 34:26 I admire men like him. Not shaken by anything. I admire men like him. Because maybe I'm controlled too much by my ego. Maybe I'm too... Not jealous. What's the word? Territorial. 34:37 You know what? 34:38 I think he's mature than me. Yeah. 34:41 Can I tell you a conversation that I actually had with my man about the ego, right? We're talking about raising, so you find out that you're raising a child that's not yours. Yeah, sure. 35:03 the child is 12, right? 35:05 And, and this, and this, and this is, it was because of real context. It happened to somebody that we know. 35:11 And, and I asked him, I said, so what would you do? And he said to me, honestly, keep raising the child. So he said, I love this child. 35:22 Let me finish. He said, I love this child. This is a child that I've raised. I've built a relationship with the child. He said, if it was me at, let's say, 20, I'd be operating in my ego and how I'm perceived by my boys, but I'm not there. It's with the real day-to-day relationships that I've built and how they make me feel. And I don't operate outside of that. I operate within this is a child I've raised. I love the child. And I've built a relationship with this child. I'm going to continue this. 35:51 Now, am I going to do the same with the mom? 35:53 No, I'm not. 35:54 He's just waiting for you to finish and be like, yeah, yeah. 35:56 and to add on then I said this is exactly why I'm actually with you because for me it really is about like yourself and your relationship and not how other people are going to perceive you, which is what I feel most men struggle with, is that you and I can really have an understanding now. But the issue is that, what's going to happen the moment I walk out? What are the gens going to say? 36:27 How are they going to view me? And that is your entire identity. 36:31 And I agree with you. 36:33 Do you agree? How the Jets are going to look at me? Do you agree with that? 36:39 You worried about how other men are going to look at me? 36:43 The context, the context. Okay, I forgot we were talking about a child that is not yours, but you are raising. Okay, maybe, maybe. 36:53 They are not yours. 37:00 I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. 37:02 But it's your choice. It's your choice. It's your choice. 37:27 You're not the dead anymore. 37:30 No, no, I'm not. 37:44 Biologically. You know that I love the child. You know that I love the child, but... I agree. I agree. This is under false pretend. Yeah, bro. 38:17 So I'm not saying, Nguzi, what you have gone through, because you've gone through abuse. That is a form of abuse, right? It's lies, it's deception, it's fraud, it's a scam, it's terrible. So I'm not saying that you should never ever feel the hurts and actually decide, I'm going to go away and nobody's going to hear from me. I'm asking, will there ever be a time where you go, Yazin, go to Nguzi, go to Nguzi. 38:40 And I want to see you. 39:02 For real! For real! For real! For real! For real! Cheers! Cheers! Cheers for that one! Cheers, man! Cheers! That's the country of Asia! 39:15 Thank you, man! 39:33 As actors, as male actors, as male actors, as male actors who do scenes that are sexual scenes, we usually tend to not want to be with the Hun who even does a kissing scene. 39:47 And I understand. So you wouldn't be with a girl who's an actress and who also does sexual scenes? 39:56 I don't think I would get married. 40:06 I think I have a very soft spot for the people that I work with. Do you understand? So they're very passionate. That's the passion that I love about the people that I work with. 40:18 Sometimes we, we, we, we crazy. Thank you. 40:23 Thank you. Wow. 40:24 What have I been saying? Please. 40:26 Why are you saying thank you? Did you date the actress? 40:29 There's been a big debate on this show about who's crazy. Nah, they're both crazy. And I say actors. 40:35 They're more crazy. This guy's a real nigga. This guy's a real nigga. This guy's a real nigga. This guy's a real nigga. 40:40 This guy's a real nigga. 40:49 It's a form of craziness. 41:12 But those are not new problems. Why I say actors are crazy is because you guys have to go through so many characters. 41:34 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 41:36 In maybe sometimes a short space of time. And when you talk about your emotions, that's where I'm there. Like, your mental and your emotionally. Like, me, personally, I would go literally crazy. I would have to have a therapist. You'd be this joker. Yeah, you look at that. 41:50 Yeah, you look at that. Yeah, you look at that. 41:54 Yeah, you look at that. 42:02 Is it because you enter into a psychosis? 42:25 I'm sure they would. Yeah, you do sometimes. I'm sure they would say this. 42:29 Have you ever felt, have you ever felt as though when you were acting that just the state of your being was just not like normal? And I don't want to use not normal because there's a spectrum. 42:41 Like out of body. 42:43 Of feelings. Have you ever felt like that? 42:45 Out of body, yeah, that's nice. 42:46 Where you're like, this feeling is new. Like I've. 42:49 I think I've. 42:55 They carried souls, you know. I just want to send a shout out to Debbie Lutke, our professor. 43:06 Debbie, bro. Everywhere I go, I hear about this lady. Every great actor is talking about Debbie. She's still alive, yeah? Yeah, yes. 43:14 Shout out to her. Yeah, that's amazing. 43:21 Especially Onks is a cool man In terms of crafting what we are at in a way. Like a mentor but more like a mother. Yeah, that thing. 43:52 If... So to answer your question... Yeah... Something very important about... Needing a psychologist... 44:10 when you are an actor and I think that should be something that is standard it shouldn't be a privilege I think onset I think onset with your contract it should say on this date you start seeing your therapist no we're just we're happy we're just saying don't you think that's part of the problem? 44:31 no no no the fuck dad would rather give me the money Like, don't you think that's part of the problem? Like, ah, fuck that. Rather give me, I can go do something better with my time. 44:45 So my chat is not on the actor's account, right? That's what I'm saying. 44:49 But he's still saying, rather give me that money. 44:52 Fuck the therapist. 44:53 That's what you're saying? 44:56 Even Kwon's will say that. 44:57 What do you say? No, he thought it was on him. I'm going to call out my techniques. So call about... Excuse me. Because I know one of my brothers when he goes into the character. 45:17 He stays there. You might fucking lose it. Method. He stays there. Method. 45:20 He stays there. 45:20 Method. 45:21 He stays there. Method. 45:22 He stays there. Method. He stays there. Method. He stays there. Method. He stays there. Method. Method. He stays there. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. 45:32 Method. Method. 45:33 Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. Method. 45:39 What's your reasoning for not needing? We'll get to that after, but what's your reasoning for not needing? We'll get to that after, but what's your reasoning for not needing? 45:48 If... For first phase... 46:09 So, in my third year, I was in my second year in stage management. And then that was a big deal. 46:26 Yeah, I wanna see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, see, Even more. Even more. Even more. Even more. Even more. Even more. 47:00 So, and I'm not speaking from a position of an actor because I've never acted long enough to understand the dynamics, right? And the emotions. 47:06 But I'm speaking as somebody who's lived in a space of psychology and who's 47:24 been in that space so i think because your body your body and your emotions come from somewhere you've been somewhere before you've lived life there are certain experiences that that you've gone through and that sometimes if you were to tap into character it could be re-traumatizing right it could be Sometimes it's hard because it's a trauma and it's a trauma. 47:58 It's like you're surviving. So your brain is on survival mode. It doesn't want you to remember where you come from, so it just packs it up at the back. So because you're a human being and you're carrying your body, your brain, your emotions, your neurons carry these stories is that it could actually really turn your life upside down because you don't even remember that maybe 20 years ago you went through this or you went through that. 48:26 Mm-hmm. 48:27 So that's why I said, it doesn't necessarily mean that you need one to see one every time you step on set, but it should be an option that is available for you to you because there are many people I was watching. There's a gentleman who's an actor who was saying that he actually only remembered at a moment he was doing a scene that he had gone through that and he completely cried and he went into some form of panic. 48:54 So that's what I'm getting at. And I guess I'm passionate about it because I want to become a psychologist in a couple of years and it's my space. 49:19 and the reason why I'm saying I hear you is because in the Zulu culture or should I say in the spaces where there are men that's seen as a sign of weakness usually. When you say I need to go and usually you have to read the room, where can I really be myself? To what degree, to what extent? Because those things can get used against you later on. So you need to be very careful. I have never heard of this. My father never did it. 49:55 That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about 20, 30-something. 49:57 It's a self-healing. Straight. 50:00 Straight. Exactly. Just like that. 50:03 When you're biting, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, you're going to say, 50:20 That reminds me of Ayyeye. I don't know why I felt like that was like a reincarnation of Ayyeye. But I hear what you're saying about the cultural thing. It's not in a man's nature. And you're now starting to tell somebody, and then I went through this, and I went through that, and I went through this, and I went through that. I get it. 50:41 I'm so sorry. Yeah. But I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... 50:50 I think it's... I think it's... 50:52 I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... I think it's... 50:57 I think it's... 50:58 I think it's... 51:02 That's why then you have the HPC 51:21 SA to make sure that The dignity of the profession Is protected Like No Let me tell you No one who It's like How can I put it It's like No one who wants to do That kind of work Wants to do it To collect gossip Because it doesn't pay enough. It just does not pay enough for you to want to collect gossip. You are really, most of the time, quite passionate about making sure that the people that you work with are okay. And you can choose who your psychologist can be. But also, there's different forms of therapy, guys. 51:52 You don't have to sit down and be like, Hi, my name is Quenzo. 51:56 Yeah, it's not like that. It's really not like that. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I've been to therapy since I was... 52:04 Since I was 11, yeah. I've been going to therapy since I was 11. 52:09 He's involved in therapy. It doesn't have to be who are you, where you from. There's trauma in getting success or something like that. 52:18 Everybody who's successful and you need to go... 52:21 Look at the trauma I've been through for the past two weeks of this Michelle Hany on stream. Look at the trauma. Which one now? Which one is it? Look at the trauma. 52:29 I've been on the internet for two weeks trending. 52:31 What is he talking about? Michelle. Oh, yes, I saw the conversation. Wait. Oh, my gosh. 52:37 Oh, the 17-year-old girlfriend. I forgot. Oh, my goodness. I saw that. I thought you forgot about you. 52:43 I saw that. Oh, my gosh. I saw that. 52:46 See what I'm talking about? This nigga need therapy. 52:52 Tell me, were you guys on a stream? 52:54 I was on a stream, but I knew this girl, we met nine years ago. So the day we met, she lied to me and said she was eight. Are we going to go through this again? No, no, let's not. We did it last week. 53:08 When you explain, you make it worse. Actually, it reminds me. I saw Read The Room talking about this shit. You know, I love you guys, man. Let me tell you something, bro. Let me tell you something, bro. I saw Phil. I saw Phil at DJ Speedster's event. I went up to Phil. I'm like, oh, Phil, we play like this now, nigga. He's like, yeah, I know. I know you can take it. I'm like, yeah, Phil, I know I can take it, but aren't you turning 60 just tomorrow? 53:40 Aren't you turning 60 years old just tomorrow, my nigga? 53:46 Like, just tomorrow, dog. And then I'm like, Phil, you said I'm short, but as I'm standing here, right next to you, I might be a little bit taller than you. What's up, nigga? He's like, nah, so I knew you could take it. I'm like, sure, you'll take it too, nigga. We together. This is all the smoke out of the hole. 54:04 Get that smoke, man. Get that smoke. 54:05 No, shout out Rita Roo, shout out Phil. But I went up to Phil, I'm like, oh, I saw that shit, nigga. 54:10 I love the fact that in this, what's it, the networks, right? Every single... There's a like, there's a... Camaraderie, which is like... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you see the Norta going on to Lassie's way? You told me about it. You didn't see it? Nah, I saw that. 54:27 You told me about it. I haven't seen the conversation. Oh, was he? Lassie was very... 54:32 He was like, stop it, Lassie. I'm like, no! 54:35 It was really entertaining. I like the fact that we all... 54:37 But how do you feel about that? Especially since Nota has been vocal about... Straight men having gay friends. Straight men having gay friends. And like, how could you do that? 54:47 What has he said about gay people? I don't know. Give me context. 54:49 What has he said about gay people? Oh, how does he feel? Nota said, I don't know a straight man that has gay friends. Oh, how can you be a straight man and have gay friends? And then he went to Lasizwe. And then he went to Lasizwe. 55:01 Why are you... 55:04 Biu, we're going to... We're going to... We're going to... Quenzo's back, so we're going to start with you on your side with the questions, eh? Hey, I want Quenzo to speak about the lessons we take, though. 55:31 I think we all drink here. 55:42 Yeah, except you. 55:44 Yeah, I don't drink. Yeah, okay. That one we know. If you don't want to ask the question, you take a shot, but let's go. 55:50 And also if it has a name in front of the thing. Oh, that means it's for them. 55:52 That means it's for that person. 55:53 So if it has a name in the front, that means you're asking that person. 55:56 Oh, okay. 55:57 If it doesn't have a name in the front, it means it's for you. Thank God, okay. You played Ukao and Zulu on the wife, and that changed your life. 56:11 What's the scene from that show that still messes with your brain till this day? 56:18 It messes with my brain? Yeah, it messes with your head a little bit. 56:22 I can't believe you did that. 56:24 Ah, because... 56:27 The wife is the show with Mbali, no? Yeah. If you don't answer the question the way we... With the brothers. 56:34 With the brothers. We don't feel satisfied. It's the first time. 56:50 Can we say which were our favorites? Yeah, you can. It's not your question. 56:55 It's his question. 56:56 I don't remember. I was just being forwarded. 56:58 Which one is the Panui one? I'm going to say Sheila for the time. 57:05 Oh, yeah. 57:06 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 57:30 No, I want to down the line. Don't worry, down the line. What's the biggest bag you turned down that you now regret walking away from? 57:39 Yeah. 57:51 I'm telling you. 57:52 He just paid school fees now. Anyway, the question, they say that regret. 58:11 You get what I'm saying? So you actually have to regret it because you can walk away from something small. You know what I mean? You can walk away from something small knowing that, ah, nah. 58:19 Okay, aside, but Will Smith turned down Matrix. Yeah, but that's Will Smith. So something like that was something you would regret. 58:25 I'm sure he had a good reason. Because I remember the story, but I don't remember the full story. Do you remember his reason? No, I don't remember the reason. 58:31 He was like, these guys who wrote Matrix, the way they explain dating, I think that was easy. Oh shit! It didn't make sense to you. Yeah, in this show, you're gonna be near. Yeah. And hey, you swear they shoot you and you go like this. 58:51 Stop bullets. 58:52 But is this true? Is this true? 58:55 Is this true? 58:58 That sounds like he thought it was like some mushrooms or acid. Some trippy shit. He turned down a lot of bags. So I think it was like that, that type of question. 59:07 But does he regret it? Of course. 59:09 He turned down Django as well. Yeah, he said he regrets it. He turned down Django. For what? 59:14 Well, I don't know. 59:16 But he doesn't... 59:17 Oh yeah, I think I read something like that. He wasn't too fond of the nigger, nigger, nigger, slave, like actually acting like that. 59:23 Which is fair, which is fair. 59:25 Well, Smith and that, it would have been wild. He beat our emancipation. Yes, that's also kind of nigger, nigger. But that's when Django was different. 59:33 So for Will Smith, it'd be comfortable for him. Because he played with Quentin. Yeah. Because back on the debate, the critics say, why he feels free. With the hard R. Yeah, yeah. 60:00 Yeah, I know. Very, very, very. Okay, Bumi, what's yours? 60:02 Mine says, what's the most expensive gift you gave an ex that you now wish you could have taken back? I feel like the person who wrote this question really wanted to get this out of Utah. Who is it? 60:14 Wow. What's the most expensive gift you gave an ex that you now wish you could take back? 60:18 Is it the three million house? 60:35 No, no, no. Like I said, we took that house back together. We took that house back together. I told you, I've been through some hard shit. Like I've said this since the beginning. I've been through some hard shit. I've lost houses. I've lost like... 60:57 But in terms of gifts man I'm really not that I'm really not that guy I don't think there's a gift that I would take back First of all I don't think money is the biggest gift that I've given He doesn't take the gift back It depends 61:13 I don't regret anything. It depends. I thought you would say anything. 61:21 Anything I've given to the 17-year-old chick, I regret. 61:24 I would think you would say that. I thought you would say that. 61:28 He's trying to be funny. We can't even hear you. No, I'm not trying to be funny. 61:31 I'm not. I said that was one night she came to the party. And then that night, that was it. I haven't seen her since that night. 61:37 I regret giving her shots. I regret everything. That's what I would have. 61:41 No, nigga. Nah, she was her own human being, nigga. The fuck? Nigga! She was her own human being. She lied to me. I said, enjoy the party, go home. 61:51 It's cool to miss nigga. How? Yes, yes. So nothing, nothing, nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She doesn't regret anything. Yeah. 62:04 I'm a real nigga. In any society, nigga. 62:08 I'm a real nigga. I'm a real nigga. 62:32 What's the question? 62:34 What's the question? What's the one thing your partner or ex doesn't know you still do? 63:02 Hey, that's personal. That's personal, bro. And that's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. 63:10 That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. 63:12 That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. 63:13 That's what he did. That's what he did. 63:15 That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. 63:17 That's what he did. 63:18 That's what he did. That's what he did. 63:19 That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. That's what he did. It's up to you. It's up to you. He No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 63:57 Man, nigga. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Man, I'm saying type shit. 64:02 Have you guys ever asked BU why he speaks English like he speaks... Why do I talk like this? Have you asked him? Wait, nah. 64:11 I can assume. 64:13 I can assume. He did it a bit. 64:16 He did it a bit. I think he spoke well. It's from the world that I know. What is a lie? I don't know. 64:33 You're a rapper? 64:34 For real? Wait, wait, wait. That's why Fei-Fei blocked you, right? 64:39 Yes! Yes! 64:49 Are you working with him? I'm connecting the dots. I watched the show. Why are you adding here? 64:56 This is what it looks like when God says, you know, you've had enough fun. Relax. 65:00 Okay, okay. Okay, okay. 65:08 Have you ever been the other person in someone else's relationship? Sure. Did the main find out? Yeah, of course. Have you? Is that your question? Read it again. Have you ever been the other person in someone else's relationship? Yes, yes. Meaning the one that the person is cheating on their relationship with. You are the one. You are the other guy. You are the side. And did the main nigger find out? Yeah. 65:35 Oh my god. Holy shit. I have Ponyanga. 65:39 What does that mean? 65:41 Ponyanga means what? Oh, he tried. Oh, he tried. Yo, he tried. 65:46 No, no, no. 65:47 I had, I had, I had, it was at the club and I had too many Nigerians around me that night. I'm not gonna lie. Oh, you were protected. I was protected. And this guy, I think he's Zimbabwean or something like that. But see, I had too many Nigerians around that night. 66:03 That's the question. He was going to leave it there. But now me and that nigga are cool. 66:11 Oh, how did you make it cool? 66:13 Because he realized, I couldn't be angry at you. 66:15 It's a girl. It's always the hun. 66:18 Yeah, it's always the hun. 66:19 You know, let's do business. 66:20 That's not my fault. 66:25 No, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. 66:51 Where do I enter the chat? Yeah. Exactly. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 67:19 I'm going to talk to you about it. I'm going to talk to you about it. I'm going to talk to you about it. I'll talk to you about it. 67:29 Do you want to do one more round or what? I would love to do one more round. 67:36 I'm going to start on my side. I'm going to start on this side. 67:38 Who writes these questions? 67:40 Who writes these questions? Who writes these questions? Who writes these questions? 67:59 Zulu people are the original gangsters of South Africa. 68:09 Where you from, Chris? Where you from, nigga? Where the crib at? Nigga, who's your mama, nigga? He's your dad on your above side, nigga. 68:18 I ain't never seen you around here. I ain't never seen... What's your surname, bro? 68:21 Wawawa. Wawawa. 68:25 Yeah, this is nice, man. Okay, okay, it's me first this time, eh? 68:31 Yo, yo, yo. Have you ever hooked up with someone to get a head in the industry? No. Shululu. What? 68:36 Wait, wait, wait. 68:37 Is that yours? This is me. This is me. Have you ever hooked up with someone to get a head in the industry? No. There would be no reason. Yeah, I know. 68:44 It would be as a nigger. I was with Febenza. 68:49 I was with Febenza. You've never Febenza. No, no, no, yeah. 68:53 Febenza. Febenza. Febenza. 68:57 But the most important thing is that if your parents are ministers, you ain't got to. 69:00 You know what I mean? Really? Pass the shot? Why? Why do you say that? No. Why do you say that? 69:04 If your parents are ministers, you don't have to. 69:06 Why? Why do you say that? What happens with that? 69:07 Because I don't have to. 69:08 No, but what is it? 69:09 Because there's no financial pressure. 69:12 No, what do you mean? 69:14 I hear what you're saying. 69:17 What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? How would you say that? 69:22 No, I'm saying there's no financial pressure. 69:25 In what sense? No financial pressure in what sense? 69:29 So when you're in the industry, there's financial pressure to survive the city, right? So you need to pay rent, for example. You need to get money to go and audition. You need money to get ready, get clothes and all of that. And if you're in a position where your parents have worked hard enough to make it comfortable for you, then you make decisions based... 69:51 I told you my mom left me in jail. I told you this story. My mom said the same way you found yourself there. You'll get yourself out. Get out. Your mom left you in jail? Listen, like I said, my parents were very liberal. And liberal in all senses of the word. 70:06 You want to go there? Go to that. Here's home. If you ever need a place to stay, you come back right here at home. My boy will take you. But it wasn't like, no, no, no. 70:15 That's why you're a real nigga. 70:18 I knew you. 70:21 So it wasn't as soft as people would assume it is? 70:25 No, no. My boys were... My boys were... My boys were... 70:39 Which song was it? King Monada. 71:04 I don't even know what King Manana is saying there, but I love it so much. Oh, that's a nice song. 71:15 That was a nice song. He abused it. 71:18 So would you do his music video? 71:28 And if you look at my music video history, nothing is too crazy. 71:39 None of my music videos are crazy. I don't have girls shaking ass and none of this shit. 71:43 None of my music videos, none of my music videos, none of my music videos. 71:48 I don't even have one music video in a club. Like, I don't even have one music video in a club. There's always like, cinematic shots. 71:57 Like, always cinematic. Okay, question. So would your girl be comfortable with you? 72:02 Hold on, hold on. There's two conversations in here. No, it's there. 72:15 But the way I present it, but the way I present it is very tasteful. It's always cinematic. It's always like slow motion. 72:21 I want it in a slow motion. 72:42 And they sing on the slow-mo. 72:43 Not Santu Santu Santu Santu Santu Santu Santu Santu Santu. 72:58 There must have been a time where you slept with someone, you didn't know who they were and their position in the industry and you found that lady was actually a gatekeeper or something. 73:13 Because that was the question. 73:14 Not intentionally. That was not the question. 73:16 Yeah, the question was intentionally. 73:18 But I hear what Biu's trying to do. He's trying to at least make me answer. I get it. 73:24 No, I think there's been a situation where we've had history and then later on, oh, you're this person now. You know what I mean? Like, oh, you've become so-and-so now. Oh, yeah. 73:34 Make something happy, man. Make something happy, man. 73:41 You know, but that's your network is your net worth. Okay, there we go. Yeah, you understand? Yeah, 100%. Okay. 73:46 What's your question? 73:48 What's your question? 73:49 What's your question? 73:49 What's your question? 74:07 Who's the last person you talked to on social media at the AM? We don't follow him. We don't follow him. We don't follow him. We don't follow him. We don't follow him. We don't follow him. We don't follow him. We don't follow him. 74:28 I should have had that question. 74:29 That's a good question. Is it? And you know her? I hope you do. I hope you do. I hope you do. I hope you do. Facebook or Facebook? I hope you do. 74:54 The Explore page is going to tell us what to do. Explore page is going to tell us what to do. 74:59 No, ask the question. Ask the question. Who is the last person? He told you hope. Hope. 75:03 Oh, hope and bad. Hope, yeah, I guess. 75:17 Hope, please come to the show. 75:18 We've been, we've been begging for how many weeks now? 75:20 We've been reaching out to you. But because you didn't ask that question, I think you need a shot. Take it together. 75:41 I don't think he's going to drink for this one. 75:45 Okay, cool. Do my what? 76:08 Have you done a death scene before? Yeah, where you were dying on camera. 76:27 Guys, let me tell you, we like to see actors in this position. 76:41 Yo, may I take it as a compliment? 76:43 You're making magic here, eh? 76:56 Take the shot. I didn't even make it up. It's Mohan's fault at this point. We need to make sure he takes the same place. I'm joking. 77:24 Yeah, let's play. 77:26 Yes! Okay, BU. 77:38 Who is your industry hall pass? No question asked. Even if you were in a relationship, you are willing to risk it all for. 77:51 Or like a crush? No. 77:54 Who is your industry hall pass? What does that mean? Any day, any time. If you were to get a DM from them, they were to call you, you were there. Even if you had a girl. But now what makes this easy is you're single, right? Oh my God. 78:07 Who's writing these questions? 78:08 You're single, right? This is easy. Yeah, this is easy. Who's this one? 78:10 So who did I say I had a crush on a while back? Ulala. 78:12 Lala Hirayama? 78:13 Yes. 78:13 She would hit me up. 78:14 Ulala Hirayama. 78:15 The way I presented the Asian girl. 78:17 The Asian one. Oh. 78:34 The long legs. Lala, hit me up. 78:38 Let me show you, let me show you. 78:41 Listen. 78:42 No, I know her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all. That's all. That's all. 78:46 I think you're crazy. I'm better than a corner. 78:59 Yo, at the end of this episode, I don't want any of you to be like, yo, please delete the scene. I don't want none of that shit. 79:05 I'm here for the chaos. 79:06 Viu, is it you? Let's go. It's me, it's me. I'll take that. 79:09 Okay. Between all... 79:28 Between all your roles, which character do people still stop you in the street for that you're honestly tired of talking about? Gwendo. 79:39 Huh? 79:40 How are you? 79:41 How are you doing? How are you doing? How are you doing? How are you doing? How are you doing? 79:47 How are you doing? How are you doing? How are you doing? How are you doing? 79:52 How are you doing? How are you doing? 79:54 How are you doing? 79:59 that's a good question but you know I'm so happy I'm so happy because I have not seen a moment like this honestly Rewind in your history of 2026, 2025, 2024 I don't think I've seen a panel of artists like this This diverse But I don't think I've seen as many actors in one setting being themselves Not caring about... You know what I mean? 80:36 And for me, I relate to people when it's like that. When I feel like... It's not about brands anymore. It's about letting people know exactly who you are. If Gwenzo is a drunk in real life... 80:49 You must come and be a drunk here. You must come and be a drunk with me. 80:54 You must all be drunk together. They must do everything. 81:14 We're already here. We're talking about Eban, this guy. 81:18 We're talking about Eban, this guy. We're talking about Eban. We're talking about Eban. We're talking about Eban. 81:23 We're talking about Eban. We're talking about Eban. 81:43 It's like he loves it. It's like he loves it. It's like he loves it. 81:50 It's like he loves it. It's like he loves it. 81:56 It's like he loves it. No, no, no. No, no, no. 81:59 No, no, no. No, no, no. 82:08 Once you get connected to the character So if a band did it You know what Trevor Gumby said, just to add to that? 82:41 Trevor Gumby? The comedian? 82:58 You know what Trevor Goombi said about that? Just to add to what you said. He was talking about how actors are actually in people's spaces. People are not in the actor's space. So you have to remember that you are in their homes, you are in their spaces, and you need to accommodate them. Because it is you who is in their space, not them in your house. 83:20 I disagree. So... Because we're all artists, right? What makes an actor different to the point where an actor is now, per what Trevor is saying, Trevor Goombi, that as an actor, you are in people's what? Spaces. Spaces. Yeah. But as a musician, you're also in people's heads and spaces and everywhere. They're paying you around the house, right? So what's the difference between the actor and the musician? If you're going by what Trevor Kumbi said, that the actor, you're in people's spaces. 83:50 As a musician, you're also in people's spaces, but how come people look at musicians differently? 83:55 I don't think they do. Well, I'll speak for myself as a consumer. I'll speak for myself as a consumer of music and movies. Yeah, the visual aspect of the arts. Yeah, not as a radio host, whatever. I'll speak for myself. I don't see a musician and an actor differently. Yeah, I don't either. 84:13 I don't. No, I'm just saying, but I can be, I can play devil's advocate. 84:18 No, I'm just saying that I don't see them any different. I actually see them as like pieces of art, different pieces of art. 84:26 That's why I don't agree with what Trevor's saying because all artists invade the space of whoever's enjoying it. No, so can I give context? That's what I need to understand. Wait, wait, wait. 84:42 Let me give you context. I don't want Trevor Gumby to be taken out of context because I was consuming what he was saying. So he was speaking to what Gwenzo was speaking to. That it doesn't matter what character you played and why you're not liking it and what was happening. And sometimes you're not in the mood to engage the fan. You're going through your own things. But you were in their space. So they were at home and you went on and they were consuming your art. So they are familiar with you as what they saw. 85:16 Just like a musician. 85:17 100%. Just like a musician. Yes, yes, yes. And they are keen to want to engage you at the level that they were in, which is a comfort space, by the way. They were not in an unfamiliar territory. Just like a musician. They were at home. Just like a musician. So when they see you, they don't think of Cejo. Just like a musician. Yeah, they don't think of Cejo or Quenzo in the north. They think of Quenzo in that movie. He's with his brothers. And they also have brothers who also own taxis. Yes, they can relate. Their first instant emotion is to go... You know what I mean? 85:47 Just like musicians. So he was saying, adding to what he's saying, that he is okay with any character and is always open to being engaged with whatever character because he remembers that he's always in people's place. Have you played a gay character? 86:00 Basically, I get that. Have you played a gay character? Would you play a gay character? Because since we're there... Since we're here and you're open to... What? 86:11 It would depend on the script. 86:14 The scripting is so live. 86:16 But why did you ask him that? 86:17 Yeah, that came from... Because you were saying basically that... I don't judge characters. Yeah, you don't judge characters. 86:26 Would you judge the homosexual character? Nambu's work is very... It's valid. Yeah, I hear you. And Mina, from my side... 86:36 And that being said, because I have gay friends, but I... 87:00 Is that as a Zulu man? Or is that as... No, no, no, no, no. Family man. No, no, no. Himself. Well, this is my belief. Godless of... Be okay. No, I'm a principal. 87:09 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And as a man to... And I agree with that. I got... It is. 87:16 I don't give a fuck about that. I think we should tread very carefully and very... 87:20 we must be aware when we listen to people in the public eye because now things like comedians, for example, I'm going to do Trevor Kumbi right now. I'm sure, was he making jokes? Was he talking about what was he? Trevor is a comedian. He's a comedian. He's a good actor. 87:35 And he's smart. He's a great actor as well. He's an artist as well. You know what I'm saying? Mina, from my side, I think that Trevor Kumbi is an artist. Yes, I agree. 87:43 What I'm saying is we should take Comedians with a pinch of salt No, no, no But remember Trevor's an actor Trevor's an actor He's still a It doesn't nullify his point on acting Yes, it doesn't So I'm not saying I'm saying let's take it with a pinch of salt Because I don't know what the context is For example It was his tall ass mom was here He said some ish about Youngstana. That thing went viral. Everyone was laughing. But when Youngstana came back at him, he was like, well, hold on. Hold on. I'm a comedian. He does a lot of other things, too. 88:14 You know what I mean? He told us about the charity. He was running for the community. He told us about just his other businesses. 88:19 In Joburg, in Joburg, you can't be one thing. 88:22 You usually do a lot of things. So I'm saying once a person has comedian in there, take him with a grain of salt. 88:27 No, I disagree because it's always in the context, in the context of that particular conversation, Trevor Gumby was actually polaring. 88:36 Oh. No, but guys, guys, guys, listen. 88:37 It wasn't a joke. 88:38 But e-comedy is part of entertainment. Yes, yes, yes. 88:43 And then we come from entertainment as well. Yes, 100%. That is in the corner. That is from the corner. 88:49 I'm going to examine it to include the e-comedy. Comedy. Oh, okay. So we actually, yeah, we actually had to write. 88:55 But how's that thing? Yo, yo. 88:58 What do you mean? What if you're not funny? That's not how school works. But it's for creatives. 89:16 That's where... 89:17 So you can get a zero in comedy. Exactly. And everything else, and then it's fine, you pass. Exactly. Do we have that clip, bro? Wow. 89:25 You feel good? 89:26 So you see, he's funny. Okay, yeah, okay. Because... 89:30 Someone creative. Yeah. 89:31 Where you do practical things. 89:33 Do you understand? 89:34 Yeah. So men feel... 89:43 You learn things you never use, but just so you can understand. Exactly. So we are just funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, funding, 90:08 Yeah, yeah. 90:10 So is it true that Wits University compared to DUT is a lot more theory-based? The kind of actors that you get coming out of that university are a lot more like… Which university versus? 90:23 Versus DUT. 90:25 So I'm asking… This is definitely more theory-based. 90:28 I'm asking, is it true that then you also see it in the nature of performance? The way that they perform? Does it reflect? 90:34 Wouldn't you? Actually, wouldn't you see? Like someone that was only taught in front of the books, in front of the whiteboard, the chalkboard. Versus someone that was taught always. Like Avda. You see Avda? They teach you in front of the fucking camera, right? They teach you in front of everything. You hold the shit. You know when it malfunctions, you know how to fix it. Versus someone that only read the book. Like when it malfunctions, you must do one, two, three, four, five. So I would say you would definitely see the difference. You would pick it up. 91:02 But I'm asking from you guys because you guys work with actors and actresses who come from different universities and different schools. Do you see the differences of training? 91:14 Do you see a different level between the institutes? Do you? 91:19 Let me tell you something. 91:21 Yes. You know, sometimes, you know, professionalism, You know, some actors say, Tina, we prepare because we understand the fact that an actor prepares. You understand? And when you tell them that, I'm not here to work for you. I'm here to work too, not to help you. 91:59 Help that nigga out. No, bro. 92:01 And then we hire you. Now you can't fix electricity. 92:07 And then you wrote, hey, I'm good with electricity. I agree with you. I agree. 92:11 I have to disagree as well. 92:25 But there's also a side of it, yeah, there's also a side of it. 92:28 But I like to disagree as well. Okay. Because I think, yeah, we may say we don't know how. 92:32 Yeah. 92:34 I know. 92:35 I think we may say we don't know how. I think we may say we don't know how. I wonder what we feel about the industry. 92:46 It's an ass down on my right. Sure. It's an egg. Yeah. That's sad. That's loose. Okay. It must be seen by tapazes, especially with my extras. Yeah. Like, ah, ah. My extras are tapazes. Tapazes is exploitation. Yes, yes. 93:08 That's for you. 93:09 I kind of picked it up. I picked it up. 93:11 I was like, yeah, you guys are being baisai. 93:15 Yeah, because it's a good question. I want to understand. Even my extras, they play a very huge role. 93:26 We won't have the environment, the feeling that you want to get from the scene. 93:32 100%. You won't get that soul. You won't get that fucking energy that you were looking for. 93:37 So I think virtually, We need to work together as artists. 93:50 I agree. 93:50 And what if they're nervous because they're your fans? What if they're nervous because they're your fans? And that's what separates the great from the good. 94:11 or the, you know, ah, you got potential. The greats don't need to be coddled. Hey, you got nerves. The greats came to the shoot with a flat tire and said, I'm not going to let this one stop me from what I need to be. Now you're great. But then there's the extras and there's other people that do need a helping hand to be like, don't worry, it's okay. I understand that. 94:33 But at the same time, it's collaboration, right? It is a collaboration. Beautiful artists. Do you understand? 94:42 We don't have the same type of rehearsals. 94:46 We need, first of all, this is the thing with the government. 94:51 Forget the government. 94:54 I've said this before. Forget it. No, no, no. In this case, we need it. Yeah, that's what we need. Stop watching. 95:00 Stop. 95:07 That's not the government's position, though. 95:11 That's not the government's position. 95:14 It's not for the government to do that for you. It's for enough actors to come together to say, hey, we need this to be done. 95:23 Both are true, I hear you. It wasn't the government that came together and said, oh, musicians need to be paid a royalty. 95:27 It wasn't the government that said musicians must by law People that mobilized and said, yo, listen, this is the structure that we want. 95:46 Within copyright, within law, and then it was made. So actors in America, it's very prevalent. American actors can throw their weight around and say, yo, I want the residual. Yeah, exactly. And it's very expensive to make a film in LA. So I hear. 96:12 But in America, they're going through the same thing where it's so expensive to make a film in LA because Nate's my white boy, my daughter's godfather. He went to LA and he came back and he's like, dog. Not Nate Dogg. Nate Dogg, yeah. Nate Dogg. No, not Nate Dogg. 96:26 Not Nate Dogg. That's what I call him. Nate the white guy. Nate Dogg. Nate Dogg. 96:31 Nate Dogg. 96:35 Nate Dogg. 96:36 Nate Dogg. So he came back from the US and he was like, bro, it's so difficult to make a film because no matter what set you're on, you have to prove that you can buy lunch for everyone. You have to prove that you have the license to fly the drone. This is in America? This is in LA. Specifically in LA. That's why everyone is leaving LA and making films in South Africa in cheaper places. Because it's way too expensive to make films in America right now. Because the laws and regulations, they came together to say, you know what, we can't come to set without food. 97:08 There needs to be food on set. So now everyone is regulated to the point where you can't have a movie set or even a music video set without food being provided for everyone because otherwise it's illegal. 97:19 Because they're united together. 97:21 So they came together to make this so the government is not going to be like, okay, you know what? All artists deserve royalty. 97:27 So you're saying in America, they can shut down, basically. In America, when they say stand out, everybody, there's no, I'm going to sit and land at the... 97:33 I'm not even going to say everyone, because the writers thing didn't really work, right? Remember all the writers boycotted at some point in time. Oh, it did work. 97:40 It definitely worked. But it did work. 97:45 And that's a good example, because a lot of the things that they wanted to happen started changing. You're talking about absolute unity. So that's what we need. I get you. Mobilization within everyone within the acting space in South Africa to be like, you know what, we're tired of this. Yeah, but people are hungry, bro. 97:58 People are hungry. Here's my chat is, like, do we really have to mobilize for basic human rights? 98:06 Yeah, we do. 98:07 Do we always have to mobilize? Yeah, we don't have to. But you know what I mean? What do you mean? No, I'm saying, do we have to... Because you're saying it's not the government's job. 98:32 But even basic human rights have to be fought for. 98:44 They had to be fought for. 98:45 Do we have to fight? My question. Guys, we're in 2026. 98:49 Guys, listen. America and South Africa are different, right? In America, you have the right to bear arms. In South Africa, you don't have that right. In South Africa, you have to be licensed to have the right to bear arms. These are different territories. And that's how you feel. And I get you. I agree with you. I agree with you. It's an emotion. If we have to trickle it down to the law of things, the law in America is in the fucking constitution that you have the right to bear arms, the right to protect your property. 99:20 And they fought for that. 99:21 You don't have the right to protect your property. 99:23 Hmm. 99:24 You don't. You cannot shoot someone for stealing your TV. If you catch them in your living room carrying your TV, you cannot shoot them. 99:34 You get what I'm saying? 99:36 I think we've had a lot of conversation. I think we're at the end now. We're at like 140 or something right now. So, quick, quick. Anything that you have to tell us about this week? Anything that you want to highlight? Anything that you are promoting? Anything that you have a problem with? Let's just let us know. Real quick. 99:54 Okay. Mina, I just dropped an album. 18 songs. Yes, yes, yes. 100:01 I dropped Friday 28th. Last Friday. 100:07 Last Friday. Yes, yes. It's a Sipumile album. I want to get all of it on all digital platforms. That's all. It's out. 100:13 There you can use it anymore. 100:15 I ain't gonna use Zika anymore. Oh guys, by the way, today's the first of fucking September. We're shooting this on the first spring day. That's crazy. By the way, good energy. It's gonna be crazy. 100:25 Actually, I'm also dropping an album this time. Everybody dropping an album. 100:31 Everyone dropping an album. You get one, you get one. Everybody dropping an album. 100:35 It's titled Sorry for the Long Wait and it's House, Afro House vibes. Yeah, yeah. DJ vibes. And I'm also... I'll come to your music video, don't worry. 100:48 Can you come to mine? 100:50 And I'm also performing... No. 100:54 I'm also performing at Descendants of House. I'm excited. Guys, this is the biggest gig for me as a DJ by myself. Not under the mix, but by myself. So it's quite important for me. So I'm excited that the House music space is recognizing me. So I'm performing alongside the likes of Sonal Musician, Drega, Calvin Fallo, and Umi Mlambo. So it's a big season for me. 101:15 No, we need to have a Calvin Fallo conversation, but we'll do it. Gwenzo, what is your smoke for the week? Do you have any smoke, brother? Which is good or bad? 101:24 More shots, nigga. One smoke. 101:26 No, that's too much. No, that's way too. What? He's taking a real. I'll take one too, nigga. Oh, my God. No, I don't have to. 101:35 You don't have to, but we're all going to take one for the coffee. He didn't smoke him. All the smoke. 101:40 Good or bad, man. Good or bad. Anything that you woke up, B is going to tell us about meditating this morning. 101:47 No, no, no. 101:49 Just like trying to take care of my home. 101:53 My mom. 101:54 That's sweet. 101:55 Aw, that's so sweet. That's beautiful. You see, we work in mysterious ways. That is definitely something. 102:13 My smoke for the week is very simple. 102:15 2nd of October, I'm doing an event at Propaganda. You guys know this. The tickets have been available for a long time. It's going to be in the description below. Make sure you click that. Early bird tickets are still available. It's going to be a jump. And I've got a house party coming soon, but I'll tell you when that's about to happen. Biu? 102:33 Quick one. My smoke is against people who stop at being creative. Let's start building. Let's build these platforms. We have MACG as an example. We're here right now. We're actors. I'm tired of actors protecting your creative. Collaborate. Let's come to these platforms. Let's create more platforms like this. Let's build. 102:53 Go back to the first episode and see how B was in the first episode versus right now. Biu is a fucking different beast right now. That's incredible. My second smoke is... Congratulations, Biu. You have definitely flowered. Hold on. 103:08 Hold on. 103:12 Thank you. Are you coming to my show? You are a butterfly, my brother. Thank you. Yes. That's what we need. Anyway, guys. I've always wanted you to my show, by the way. Next week, same place. Same time. All the smoke. Shout out. One time. Thank you. 103:39 Hey, Pookie, how are you? 103:41 Good, and you? Good, good. You are live on all the smoke. What's going on? 103:48 What? 103:51 No way. 103:52 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've got the whole crew here. We've got Mohaw. We've got Tejo. We've got, well, Tejo as the third person. Yeah, we've got Tejo. Listen, you know, if you watch the show, you know I take a lot of tequila shots. So right now, I'm on the edge. I'm not going to lie. 104:07 I'm on the edge. 104:09 You're having a blast. Yeah. 104:10 Pookie, how are you doing though? 104:11 Hey, guys. Is this a prank? 104:13 No. You are live on the show. 104:15 Come on, man. 104:15 You're live on the show. 104:16 Watch it on Friday. How are you? 104:19 Okay. I'm well. How are you guys? 104:21 Very good. So, obviously, the reason why I'm recording you right now is because you bought a ticket to the Road to 2 Million show. 104:29 And then we've got a couple of options for you. 104:32 You can decide... 104:34 Can I give it options? Yeah, BU's going to give you options because I've definitely forgotten. 104:38 Yeah, yeah. So the first option is we can pay for your flight. The second option, we can pay for your accommodation. The third one is we can join us in VIP or you can join us on the show. 104:49 Yes, you can pick any show that you want to be on. Yes, 100%. 104:53 On any of, any show. 104:55 Oh my God, you guys. 104:56 Yeah, what do you choose? 104:57 Okay, can I choose the flight one? 104:59 Hey, hey. 105:01 Here we go, nigga. 105:04 That's a smart choice. Pookie, because like everyone is choosing like the VIP ticket. And I'm wondering, like, do you guys don't have bills to pay or what, what, what, what, what? So I feel like you made the right. But just out of being curious, are you going to be at the VIP party though? Mm-hmm. 105:29 Yeah, I might as well, because now I don't have to worry about flights. Exactly, here we go. 105:34 We want to see you at the VIP party. We'll see you there, mama. Thank you so much for being a part of this experience. Two million is not a small fucking... 105:44 deal and you're going to be in VIP with us, please do not judge us. When you see us drunk as fuck, join us. Do not judge us. Just join us. 105:54 Thank you so much, you guys. Are you guys recording right now? Yeah. 105:57 Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much, Pookie. 106:00 We'll see you at the Road to 2 Million and in the VIP. 106:05 Thank you so much. 106:12 Travel safe. Fly safely. 106:13 Oh, wait, wait. Pookie, before you leave. Where are you going to sleep? One of our guests in Pumi wants to know, where are you going to sleep on the night? 106:21 Yes. 106:22 Yeah, what's the plan? 106:25 Yo, guys, I've been stressing out about accommodation because, like, I'm traveling alone. It's going to be, like, a summer trip for me. So I'm going to be staying. I Googled, and then I commented on the YouTube page to ask a few guys, and they said Goodwood. Goodwood. Yeah, so I booked there via Airbnb. Okay. 106:44 Nah, nah, nah, nah, you're brave. Nah, you're brave. 106:49 Pookie. 106:49 It's my name, Pookie. What do you want to say? 107:03 Pookie, thank you so much. Thank you, Pookie. Please watch the episode next weekend and you'll see the segment. But yeah, otherwise then we'll see you on the 12th of December. 12th December. 12th December. What's the venue? 107:16 Second row, I will see you. 107:19 We will definitely see you. Yeah, Grand West Arena will see you there. Thank you, Pookie, so much. And we'll fly you Air Link, so don't worry about it. 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