Kenty - Paul Kent NRL Podcast

00:01 G'day and welcome to Kenny Blitz, your daily hit of NRL News. And Kenny's back. Kenny, welcome back. 00:06 Thank you, mate. Yeah, nice to be back. I missed the 200th show, by the sounds of it. Yeah, you did. 00:10 Yeah, you did. 00:11 Not to worry. 00:12 Congrats on 200th shows, mate. Yeah. You haven't missed many. 00:15 I've missed a couple. Yeah, I've missed a couple here and there. And, yeah, obviously got off to a slow start this year. But, anyway, 200th. 00:22 Thought we'd never make it, Wes. Yeah, well done. So we'll see. 00:24 Once again, thanks to everybody who has been watching us and commenting the whole time. Don't forget to subscribe. We're trying to get to 100,000 subscribers. Over 50% of the people who watch this show don't subscribe, you bastards. So subscribe, it makes a big difference to us. All right, let's talk, Kenti, a little bit of news coming out of South Sydney that Latrell Mitchell's season may be over. 00:46 Yeah, look, it's obviously started to get around yesterday. Yeah. 00:50 And it's big news for South Sydney. He's such an impact player. And really just, without him coming back between here and the finals, it was, I think, 50-50 we didn't make the finals. If they made the finals, people gave him a slight hope. But I think it's season over, really, for the Rabbitohs now. It's going to be really tough to go without him. He's got to go see a neurologist. He's some sort of suggestion. It's a nerve problem. 01:14 He had a calf strain, which became linked to his back. 01:19 As you know, that... 01:21 the body's all sort of linked together and often when you have hamstring problems and calf problems, it can be because you have tightness in the back or a problem in the back, an imbalance sometimes in the back. 01:31 They're trying to check out exactly, or find out exactly what the cause is for Luttrell. 01:38 I don't think, look, they're either being a little bit cagey there or they're being, they're deliberately vague about it at the moment. It's certainly, when you talk to people around the club, it's a bit hard to know what's going on there. 01:51 And I think they're still having a look essentially to try and really identify what the problem is. 01:56 You were saying only last week that he's one of your favourite players. So not only is it a big loss for South City, it's a big loss for the NRL. 02:03 Well, it is. Look, he's a star, isn't he? There's no doubt about that. But he's a fascinating topic, Luttrell. Every time we talk about Luttrell... 02:15 We get bashed. 02:15 Well, it's like the old cowboy movies and Indians coming over the hill. You know what I mean? 02:22 You're sitting there on your stagecoach and suddenly you hear all this yelping going on. 02:28 Oh, yeah. So anyway, but the point is he – but he is a really interesting topic from the point of view. Forget Luttrell the person in some respects, but just take into account Luttrell the footballer, his salary – how often he's on the field it is a problem that's hard to resolve now everybody will tell you a lot of ex-players who are commentating in the media they all will go with the line mate when he's fit yeah you got to have him you'll pay whatever you care that is true 100 that's true but that's not the reality because it's the com yeah the comment starts with if If he's fit. 03:11 He's been there at the Rabbitohs for 166 games. 03:15 Of those, he's played 95. He's missed 71. 03:19 Now, that's a lot of games to miss. And the concern for the club is a variety of different reasons. It's not like... 03:28 Mal Meninga, when he was playing, he kept breaking the same arm, kept breaking it over and over and over again. Or other players who, Tom Travojevic, for example, who's had nine hamstring tears in the last six years or seven years. 03:41 He has all sorts of reasons. 03:44 And what you've got to do, and this is what we talk about so often, and fans just seem to forget it or just choose to ignore it, you've got to get value for money in your cap. If your cap is not working and providing value for money, you cannot win the comp. 04:03 If you're paying 800 for a player, you've got to be getting 800 value out of him. 04:08 Now, Latrell provides that when he's on the field, but he's only on the field literally 60% of the time. 04:17 So out of that, you've got to sit down and say, well, do we invest this much of our cap into a player who for the 24 games will probably be missing for 11 of them, maybe 10 of them? 04:37 That's a lot to be missing for. And everyone says, okay, yeah, but get him back for the finals. Yes, absolutely. Get him back for the finals. 04:45 He could be your X factor that takes South Sydney the whole way. 04:48 But you've got to make it. 04:50 Well, one, you've got to make it. Two, you're counting on him being there. And when you're missing 40% of your games, it's not something you can put in the bank. 05:01 And that's why it's so interesting because no one wants to come on the shit potty, right? No one's – and – No one doubts his ability. No one doubts his ability. No one doubts his commitment. No one doubts any of that. It is simply a choice, a value choice. Are you getting what you're paying for? And if not, can the money be better spent? Now, when he's playing, no, it can't be. You're getting a top – absolute elite level player. You get one of the top three game breakers in the game. 05:29 Mm-hmm. 05:30 But he's not there often enough. And that's the problem. It's something South Sydney are going to have to figure out. Now, the answer is, do you offer him a reduced payment? 05:42 Now, well, some clubs will say, they'll take advantage of that, and they'll come in at the time and say, look, mate, we'll take you. South Sydney have even gone to the stage, mate, they've changed their strength and conditioning guys. 05:53 wondering, remember, was it last year? They had all those injuries. 05:57 Yep, they wondered if it was Heffron Park too. 05:58 And they wondered if it was a park, whether there's something in the park, it might well be. There might be too much or not enough give in the ground, which is generally the reason. Sometimes a lot of these modern grounds, they concentrate so much on the drainage and getting sand and soil and pipes underneath it and all that sort of stuff that the ground is not particularly helpful for the athlete. 06:20 But that's come secondary to the greenkeeper who's got a lovely pitch to look at and put up on Instagram. 06:28 Well, Kenty, what does this say about South Sydney and Wayne Bennett? Obviously, super coach Wayne Bennett, never under pressure, really. But they miss the finals again, if they do miss the finals because of not having... Well, it'll go down to... Look, Johnny Lewis... 06:47 When he got inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame, they said to him, what makes a great trainer? 06:52 He said, great fighters. 06:54 Wayne used to say the same thing about players. What makes a great coach? He'd say great players. That was Wayne's way of being humble. But as it's got a little bit less certain about his future, Wayne's 76 now, he's getting older, he's no longer cemented into a club like he was at one period there with the Broncos and whatnot. 07:14 Wayne leaves a little bit of mystery around it and doesn't really give too much away. So we fill in the blanks about what a great coach he is. But Wayne's going to be under some pressure, I think. He's got excuses because of the injuries. But by the same token, they've got to resolve why they're getting so many injuries. And they're getting injuries that... 07:35 that are believed to have started at training in that process. It's not like you go into a game and break an arm and you just say, well, essentially that was just an accident like Blake Braley did a few weeks ago. They're soft tissue injuries and they're repeating themselves. And they're injuries that are, for a lot of the players, it just seems to indicate there's something wrong. It could well be Heffron Park. The ground might be too hard on... 08:04 on their recovery or something like that it might like i said it could be any manner of things blake solly and the club must be a little concerned if if they do miss the finals again they must be a little concerned and i know you know wayne has a job for life but maybe they're starting to think about who's the next man up ben hornby missed out on the on the job at the Dragons. They've got Sam Burgess over there. They say Sam Burgess is the next man to get the job, but you'd say Ben Hornby's been there. It's going to be an interesting decision for them. 08:34 I don't know what they'll do. Look, a lot's got to happen for them to be in that situation. 08:38 Well, they started on fire, though, Kenti. The first couple of months of the season, they were top four and everyone thought they were going to challenge for a premiership. 08:46 Yeah, I thought it was probably a little bit of a false dawn there, though. Look, They've got some firepower in the side, but to me, they're still... The question is, next year, they're going to be stronger than they are this year. They've got Kaloma Tongi. Leaving for the Dragons. Leaving for the Dragons. But they've got a few players who are coming in. 09:05 None bigger than Payne Haas. 09:06 Payne Haas is the one I'm trying to think of. Yeah. It's on the tip of my tongue. But they've got Payne Haas coming in who's really going to... 09:14 Open up things for them. They're going to have even the halves. Cody's going to be another year older, but the way he plays, if you can just calm down the anger a little bit, he's still effective. I think he'll be very good off the bench next year. Ashton Ward's going to be another year better. 09:34 Cameron Murray is just a machine. 09:36 But you look at their team this year, Kenty, and their team is pretty much... I mean, at the start of the season, we were looking at their team saying, this is one of the better teams in the comp. And that left edge was phenomenal with Luttrell. Obviously, he's been injured. Then there was question marks over the right edge, and they've all got injured. All clubs have injuries. And you look at Brisbane Broncos, they've had the most number of injuries, and there's pressure there on Madge. 09:59 Yeah. 09:59 So there has to be some kind of pressure on the super coach. 10:02 Yeah, well, in that respect, though, look, I think that's fan pressure. And I understand the fans being... 10:10 disappointed with their season. This is where you need your club to be mature about things and to actually understand within the club, injuries happen. You can't affect it. And the way the game is played these days, if you, like I think Penrith had something like 24 players or something like that. They're down near the bottom. 10:30 certainly earlier in the season when they were just looking unbeatable, they'd had less turnover than everything. And yeah, I'll go back, we might talk a bit more about this, but you go back to Ben Darwin, the old Wallaby, and he's got a company called Gainline. And one of the biggest indicators they've got towards success in a sporting team is cohesion and how many games players have played together. 10:57 And the more you can have games together, the better your team will go. And so they really preach the benefits of that. Now, when you're getting injuries and you're getting so many injuries like the Rabbitohs have got, like the Broncos have got, and you're constantly changing your halves and this guy's coming in at centre, it takes you a little bit of time, as hard as you want to train, it takes you a little bit of time as a player when you're coming into a team or you're being changed positions, to just find your timing and just your rhythm in a game in that position. 11:32 And that can just be something really simple, like if you haven't got your rhythm right, you might get to a player a step too late. And because you got there a step too late, The gap's closed so you don't go through. Whereas if you've been doing it every week and you know here comes your 5.8 and there's the hole and you know exactly how you're going to hit that hole, you just do that and through you go. Now, there's a lot to be said for that. So we've got to be forgiving for teams that do have a lot of injuries. 12:03 Yeah. 12:04 But by the same token, like I think Souths are doing, they're going away and saying, why are we getting so many? And a lot of them are soft tissue injuries that there's a belief there that they could be avoided and maybe the seeds for those injuries are being planted elsewhere. 12:22 I've spoken to a few players before about what it takes to be a first grader and the fact that some players... 12:30 don't get injured. 12:32 I know injury happens to everybody, but some people's body is made to not get injured. And I don't think recruitment agents within clubs place enough emphasis on that because I know they do look at it, but they don't look at it as much as I look at it as a fan because whether or not a player plays every weekend makes a massive difference to your club. 12:51 And they probably don't weight it. And they certainly don't weight it probably enough when it comes to how much of your salary cap you're going to give for that whereas a player look tom devoyevich took a pay cut at manly because he recognized he wasn't there every week or asked to i don't think he was allowed well no i think he he asked to and then later on they okay next contract cycle around he took a bit of not a big one but he took a bit of a haircut and that was essentially because he he's such a club man He realised he wasn't providing value for money, took a pay cut, allowed him to spend the money elsewhere. 13:26 And part of that for him was to get better quality players at the club or to keep them there and make the club more successful. 13:34 Well, Tom Brady famously did that, took less money than all the other quarterbacks to try and build the team around him. Yeah. Let's talk about some news out of the Tigers with Alatu Fayanu copying a three-week suspension last night. You back it, Kenti? Yeah. 13:49 Yeah, I'm fascinated with the argument around this. There's a lot of people... 13:53 There's two extremes of the argument. One is it was an accident gone wrong and it was a low tackle. 14:01 What did he do wrong? Well, one, he didn't use his arms. 14:04 You have to use your arms, even though it technically wasn't a shoulder charge. It came under the same sort of understanding. But the other part, too, the flip side of it is people say, well, with that sort of tackle, you could break your leg. Well... 14:18 No, not really. The player's running onto the defender. The defender's not really doing a lot. He's not driving in. He's basically bracing. And then when he hits contact, he's popping up to flip. Why has it divided the game so much? 14:35 Why is there such opposing views on this? 14:37 Well, I don't know why because I have where I sit with it. I'm quite firmly where I sit and I can't really see the argument. Well, I can see the argument. If it's a one-off tackle and it's the only time it had ever happened, I can support the argument it was an accident. But I also find it strange. How does a player get in a situation where he's down on one knee with a player running at him? How did he get in that situation? Like, he didn't lose his footing. He went down voluntarily. 15:05 So that suggests to me it was deliberate. That then takes out the fact that it could be an accident. 15:11 What a lot of people don't know, and it came up during sentencing when they tried to argue a during sentencing at the judiciary last night, was he'd been given two concerning act notices over similar tackles. 15:28 Hmm. 15:29 Well, there you go. 15:29 So, what, you've got three accidents there now? There you go. So, and that's... And as I said on Monday was... 15:37 Rugby union, they've noticed an increase in this. 15:42 And so they've come in and they've started bringing in rules to get rid of it out of the game because of the danger. Let's remember Leo Thompson, when he got flipped on the weekend, landed on his head. 15:52 That's why they got rid of the spear tackle, because of what can go wrong when you land on your head. 15:57 To my point about the Cumberland throw, the Cumberland throw, one of the reasons it was banned was because it happened so fast. You really had time to react. And it was such an unusual tackle. You weren't often prepared for it. This is the same sort of stuff. And I'm glad the NRLs were heavy on the penalty because the problem is, and I said this, to others, you go away when you go back and look at the first grapple tackle, someone could have come out. These people are currently saying that Fionu was just an accident. 16:28 You could have said that about the first grapple tackle, that he just got his hands in the wrong spot. 16:32 Yeah. Yeah. 16:33 The first time a rolling pin happened, oh, well, he stumbled and he dropped his knee into his calf. 16:38 First chicken wing, oh, mate, he just got him on a bad angle and he didn't realize. The first crusher, well, the player turned, he didn't realize his neck was underneath him. And you can give that excuse for every one of those tackles. 16:50 But we soon learned after a while that they were all trained for, they were all intended to injure players. 16:57 And this is a similar incident. This is a similar tackle. This will one day, if it's allowed to continue, injure a player who'll come down and either have a bad concussion or neck damage. So to get rid of a player now at the first time we've seen it in the rugby league, essentially, well, maybe the third time we've seen it in rugby league, to get rid of it early anyway is a really strong move from the NRL. So well done to them. I think they've done the right thing here for sure. 17:24 Can we just get that on repeat? Are you just saying that you've done something right? 17:30 Look, I've always said if they do something good, I'll acknowledge that. It's just taking a bit of time to get there. There you go. 17:40 Well done. David Fafita was suspended for two games last night for kicking out at Hudson Young. 17:47 Yeah, again, no problem with it. 17:49 It was weird. I've never seen it happen on the field like that before. 17:55 And the thing about that too, though, is I can't find any way to justify any other action than he was trying to strike out. 18:02 What else was he trying to do? That was the weirdest action you've ever seen. I've never seen a player kick right up like that, had contact with his head. 18:11 Fafita argued for a downgrade. But again, that goes back to, do we want to see that in the game? If they do nothing about it, and it happens next time, then we say, well, listen, this is starting to become a thing here. We don't want to see this. Let's get rid of it. But hang on, there's a precedent where we've done nothing about it. So they get themselves into all sorts of trouble. So well done again to the NRL just saying, you know what? Let's just cut this shit out. It's gone. Mate, you do it again. Anyone else does it, this is what you're facing. 18:41 Hello everyone. Welcome to my points bet multi this week. Look, we're not going to try and get too fancy this week. We're just going to go for the chocolates. So I'm going to go South Sydney. I know that they have blown out a little bit since the teams were announced, but they're $1.95 against the Melbourne Storm. They're traveling a bit better than the Storm. They've got a little bit more strike power than the Storm. So I like them in the first leg of the multi. Then we've got the Raiders, minus 13.5 against the Tigers. The Tigers were very disappointed against Canterbury last week. I think minus 13.5, $1.88 is a good bet there. 19:11 And then finally, we look at the Warriors. The Warriors have just traveled well there. They're a team that just continues to play consistently each week, which is important, I think, when you're having a bet. They play the Bulldogs this week. They're only giving away four and a half start. I think that's not enough for the Bulldogs to win the encounter there. So put the three together. It's paying $6.89. I like that. Points bet built different. Make sure you get on. 19:35 Chances are you're about to lose. For free and confidential support, call the number on the screen or visit the website. 19:43 Kenny, there's been a lot of talk about this third-party stuff and Jerome Luai. Now there's discussion or conjecture over whether he should be allowed to do his third-party work next year for the Chiefs while he's playing for Parramatta. What's your take? 19:57 My take is everything I've heard from people, they've all missed the point. 20:02 The point is not about, you know, look, they're partially right, some of them, in their argument. He's working for Parramatta and he's actually earning money for another club that he's about to join. That's got a bit of a smell about it. 20:14 But most of the criticism, most of the commentary from the ex-players goes along the line of, well, mate, if you can earn the money, why wouldn't you? That's where they're from. If you can earn the cash, give him a shot. Short career. Yeah, short career, all that sort of stuff. The fact is, what no one has brought into this is the conflict of interests and commercial interests. Okay? Now... 20:42 We're led to believe that he'll be going to Papua New Guinea next year, where Pepsi will make him the face of the drink in New Zealand, and he will be going there to fulfill obligations for that. 20:56 Now, he's gotta be playing at Parramatta next year, who are sponsored by Powerade, who are owned by Coca-Cola. 21:05 It is a clear conflict. If you talk to anyone And this is not a football conflict. This is a Coca-Cola conflict. Someone from Coke should say to Parramatta, mate, are you nuts? Are you going to let a representative caliber player, one of the most talked about players in the game, come and play at the club where we sponsor and you're going to let him go to Papua New Guinea and advertise and promote Pepsi. 21:33 It's just, it's unheard of. There are so many of these conflicts in rugby league. Happens all the time. I remember years back a player having a moment to me about he'd been offered 10 grand to go and basically promote a company. The club came in and said, mate, you can't do it. He said, why not? And he said, they said, well, mate, we're sponsored by his rival. 21:55 So you can't come and do work for him. Now he had the shits about it. And he said to me, he said, mate, why shouldn't I be able to do that? And I said, because mate, it's conflict of interest as far as the sponsors go. He said, yeah, but this is for me personally. I said, yeah, but mate, they only want you there because you're playing for Canterbury. It was Canterbury the club. Right. 22:12 A friend of yours who you used to work with at Canterbury. 22:16 Anyway, but he was playing at Canterbury at the time. And he said Canterbury wouldn't let him do it. 22:20 Would not let him do it. Did he also play for the Broncos, the Dragons, Canterbury? He could have. 22:24 Yes, well could have. Well could have. And he chased a $300 cashier as we speak. 22:33 But anyway, yeah, he – and I understood the club's point of view. And I understand the sponsor's point of view. Clubs work hard to get sponsors. They need sponsors in the game. And when you get them, you've got to service them. Now, next year, if Jerome Luai, playing for Parramatta, goes to Papua New Guinea and shoots ads for Pepsi, if I am – Papua New Guinea or Pepsi. If I'm Pepsi, I'm putting that all through Australia as well, okay? 23:05 And I'm sticking it right up Coca-Cola. Through socials or- Through whatever, okay? But also, if I'm Coca-Cola and Pepsi paying all this money, right- for Jerome Luai, and Jerome Luai runs out for Parramatta and has a drink out of his Powerade bottle, I'm just putting that in my ads. And I'm getting a whole lot of Jerome Luai for a lot less of what Pepsi are paying him. 23:28 What about when they sit there with their interviews, you know, or the... press conferences at the end of the game and they have their bottle of Coke there. 23:36 Yeah, yeah. He had the power rate in front of him. He won't be allowed to have a Pepsi in front of him. No. They will insist on having a power rate in front of him. This goes back was to... What year was it? 90... I think it was 92. When... 23:51 It's a bit like when Michael Jordan went to the Olympics. Yeah. And the Olympic team was sponsored by Reebok. 23:57 Barcelona 92, yeah. 23:58 Yeah. Remember that? Yeah. And the Olympic team was sponsored by Reebok. 24:03 Jordan had this massive Nike deal. And so Jordan actually asked if he could wear a Nike tracksuit instead of a Reebok tracksuit. 24:10 And they thought about it. They considered it until Reebok said, are you nuts? 24:15 No way in the world. Yeah. He's going in a track suit, which they had to wear for the medal presentation. He's going in a track suit like every other player. 24:24 And Jordan, they're smarter than though. He put the American flag in and draped it over so it hid the logos. But it's the same principle. And that's why Parramatta are going to have to be really on their toes next year because we don't know what other sponsors are going to come his way, but certainly they have got a clear conflict coming. Powerade owned by Coca-Cola. It's going to be a Parramatta and he's going to be flying a pub and you're going to need to promote Pepsi. 24:51 Well, my understanding of third parties, and I know a little bit about them, is that you can't sign a third party for a competing sponsor of your current club. So Parramatta must have known about this and they must have signed off about it. 25:03 Well, I don't. Well, the Pepsi stuff's all – well, he hasn't signed the Pepsi deal yet though. 25:07 Okay. 25:08 So there's no conflict there until he goes to do it. That's what we're led to believe. We're led to believe that the Pepsi deal is yet to be signed off on. So what will be interesting, though, is if Pepsi come in, and what we're led to believe is about $3 million over three years or whatever. 25:24 If they come in and they say, mate, we're going to sign you to this deal. 25:28 But if you sign it, that puts you in conflict with Parramatta. 25:33 and you might not be able, and Parramatta can technically stop them, if what you're saying is right, technically stop him signing that Pepsi deal, he might say, you know what? 25:44 Don't worry about Parramatta. Don't worry about Parramatta, I'll take the Pepsi. 25:48 He could well do that. I think there's a lot more to come because of it. 25:54 It's all going to get sorted out by managers and lawyers and all the rest of it. But it's not as simple as should he be allowed to go and earn money. 26:00 What about Mitchell Moses' comments about Luai? Did you see those? 26:04 Yeah. Look, I can understand his frustration. He's trying to do something this year and he's being asked about next year. So, yeah, look, I'm a fan of Mitch Moses. I really like him. 26:17 And I thought he handled it. 26:19 Look – Media should be able to ask whatever question they want. 26:25 and the players should be allowed to answer it any way they like. 26:28 Now, if you want to keep asking the question, as they did the other day to Mitch Moses, they just put a different dress on it and asked it again. 26:35 And he kept giving them the same answer. Like, he was too smart for them. Like, I've got no problem with him doing that. Like, he didn't want to answer the question. It was clear he didn't want to talk about next year. He's got this year to concentrate on. The questions kept coming about it, so he just kept answering it the same way. And in the end, he said to them, you keep asking the question, you're going to keep getting the same answer. which again I've said this before like maybe you've got to toughen up a little bit you know 27:03 Peter Bedell said called him rude. Did you say that? 27:07 Yeah, I don't think that. I don't agree with Peter on that. 27:11 Mitch is a really good young man, mate. He's got real good values. 27:16 I saw him out last year. It was interesting because it was an end-of-season thing. There was a lot of players that were on the drink, blah, blah, blah. And he just sat up there and he was an alpha guy. 27:27 king of the castle and i looked at him and thought mate you got it sorted out you know what's going on and and you know he just had a presence about him yeah oh yeah he's got that yeah i had to get a jersey signed uh for only him um for a mate's daughter who was 11 i think she was 11 or 12 she's his favorite player and he's her favorite player sorry and i i said to him can you uh sign this i'll bring on mate i'll go wherever you are yep and I'll bring the jersey and he said, mate, I'll come around to your house. 27:57 Wow. So he drove around to my place and so on. Wow. 28:00 Yeah, that's cool. 28:01 Yeah, so I've got a bias there. Look, I admit that. But he didn't need to do that and to me that really – spoke of his qualities as a bloke. And like I said, I supported what he did there yesterday. He didn't want to answer the question, so he didn't answer it. 28:18 Yeah, very good. 28:20 Kenny, let's finish off with a little bit of news from your boys, your mates over there at Hello Sport. Jeez, what's happened over there? So they've basically put their foot in it, Kenti. 28:29 Yeah, they got it a bit wrong. Look, it happens. Yeah, welcome to the world of... 28:35 Big media, I suppose. 28:38 Look, sometimes you get things wrong. Look, for those who don't know, they listen to what I said about the Papua New Guinea third-party sponsorships, but got it wrong and thought it was all tax-free. 28:51 Kent, have you ever screwed up like that? 28:53 Yeah. More times than I care to remember it was. 28:56 Look, it happens. 28:58 It does happen. And you can... Yeah, the thing about... 29:03 commentary in the media writing stories or doing a podcast now or doing a TV show it is as much truth as you can get for that day and then you move on for the next day and people lie to you like I've had People just flat out lie to me, tell you, and you're right in good faith. 29:25 I've got things just straight out wrong. I've misunderstood things. It happens from time to time. Mistakes happen. I saw the Hello Sports stuff and I thought the way they handled it was… Yeah, I thought it was good. Yeah, it was really pretty cool actually. 29:41 And they owned it. 29:43 They put their hand up in their own way. 29:47 But it can bite you on the ass sometimes, mate. You've got to be careful. I get things wrong on this show. 29:53 Not often. 29:54 Oh, no. In all seriousness, mate. Look, I acknowledge that things are wrong. And again, that's because it probably has a faulty memory as you get older, but also... Just things like people tell you the wrong thing. The thing with Shamus, that took... Initially, that started out there. That started out because with me getting it wrong with New Zealand and how their salary cap worked. And that was a mistake. It wasn't... 30:22 Enough to stop the rolling of the earth, so to speak. But it was a blue. But that's how we then got onto the Papua New Guinea. And that's where it came out that the third-party money for third-party sponsorships, while tax-free in Papua New Guinea, the minute you move that money out of Papua New Guinea to another country, you then become subject to that country's tax laws. 30:42 So, Kenty, you're getting hammered, right? And the show's getting hammered. Everyone's getting hammered on the... 30:49 on this third-party sponsorship. 30:50 Yeah. 30:52 One more time, can you just explain it to us? 30:54 Well, the tax-free works this way. As a player in Papua New Guinea, you get paid your salary, which is tax-free in Papua New Guinea. And then when you take that money, say you're on a million dollars a year like Jerome Loy, when you put that money in the bank and then you transfer that money back to Australia, the Australian government will let you bring that money into the country and you'll keep that as tax-free. 31:19 That's your playing contract. 31:20 That's your playing contract. Third parties, you will earn that, and this is a decision of the Papua New Guinean government, but it's a decision that the Papua New Guinean Chiefs, the NRL, and the Australian government are not allowed to have any say over it because they are all supposed to be at arm's length. But the Papua New Guinean government has allowed players in Papua New Guinea who earn any money through third-party sponsorships, such as Jerome Lewis' Pepsi deal, to receive that as tax-free. 31:48 But that money, if for example, he gets three million bucks, which they're saying, and he wants to buy a house in Australia, the minute he sends that money back to Australia to buy the house, it becomes subject to the Australian tax laws. 32:03 So that's been confirmed by Chambers? 32:04 That's confirmed. Chambers confirmed that to me. 32:07 Okay. 32:07 I'll read you the text if you want. No, no, no. But, yeah, and that's confirmed. 32:13 Now, the way the smart operators will do it over there, because I've been thinking about that, is you will get your player salary and you'll basically sit it in a nest egg and won't touch it, and you'll try and get your manager on to get you third-party sponsorships, which is going to – that will be all your living expenses. Okay. 32:30 So all your food, your bills, everything will be paid out of your third party to try and lessen the tax you have to pay on that. That's how you'll handle it. But it's not tax-free like we were initially led to believe. Very good. And if we, the Hello Sport guys hear that, just listen to it in full. 32:47 Because we need it in full so we can understand it all. 32:51 And if anybody else needs any more tax advice, ask us below. Ask Kenti. Whatever tax advice you need, we need to provide it. 32:59 Get it while you can. 33:00 Very good. All right, Kenti, that's it for us today. Until tomorrow, we'll see you then. Bye-bye. 33:10 Chances are you're about to lose. For free and confidential support, call the number on the screen or visit the website.